New Life Live: July 16, 2015

Topics: Homosexuals, Christian Walk, Confrontation, In-laws, Sexual Abuse, Parenting, Social Media, Adult Children
Hosts: Steve Arterburn, Dr. Jill Hubbard, Milan Yerkovich

Caller Questions:

  1. Is it Christian to be a wedding photographer at a gay wedding?
  2. How can I stop my in-laws from talking to my kids about their dad, who is in prison for molesting our daughter?
  3. What’s the best way to debate the Bible on social media?
  4. My 21yo daughter has expressed same-sex attraction; should we let her be or fight to protect her?

Suggested Resources:
How We Love Our Kids
NIV Spiritual Renewal Study Bible
How We Love

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14 Comments

  1. Photographing Gay weddings!! NO!! July 16, 2015 at 10:30 am - Reply

    As a Christian wedding photographer-I would not want my business logo on those photographs/albums! seems like condoning same sex marriages to me! Also -those albums & pictures last a lifetime (with our business name on them) -not like the temporary cake or food! And we get a lot of business from previous brides-I would not want more gay weddings!!!
    This is probable the first time I have disagreed with your advice -but I do see your side -just can’t see us doing those weddings! wouldn’t even know how to pose 2 guys or 2 women & make them look good!

  2. ann July 16, 2015 at 10:46 am - Reply

    to the first caller – sir, you are a photographer professionally correct? if you are concerned so much about what people may or may not say about you being the photographer of a same sex wedding, this is your business you get paid for a service not to be judgmental, if so, MAKE IT PLAIN WHAT YOUR SERVICES ARE AND WHO YOU SERVE AND OR WILL NOT SERVE. I am a bartender, though part-time, it’s a service that I provide to my clients, same sex or not, I work for myself and most of my clientele are gay, that’s on them, I am hired to do a job and trust me, I do a darn good job so if you are uncomfortable in rendering this service let the person(s) know and for God sake be unbothered with what people say if you choose to do this service for that same sex couple. The panel spent a little too much time on this one. Pretty much self explanatory. I’m just saying.

  3. Amy Horrocks July 16, 2015 at 10:58 am - Reply

    This response might be the best response I’ve heard when it comes to interacting with sinners, including those who follow a homosexual lifestyle. Thank you!!!

    • Amy Horrocks July 16, 2015 at 11:01 am - Reply

      Just to clarify, I want my comment to be understood — I think we’re ALL sinners and no one sin or sinner is worse than another.

  4. ann July 16, 2015 at 11:03 am - Reply

    Annie, please tell me you are not going to overwhelm yourself another minute with your husbands family, and please tell me this man is soon going to be your ex-husband. He is a sick, sick person and needs to be in prison for LONG time, I would not let him near my children, not even from a distance let alone his family. His porn addiction, sex addiction, and molesting children have been going on for much longer than he’s led you or his family to believe, I’m sure he was molested as a young boy and never got help for the wound that obviously has festered. Well, I pray he gets the help he needs but I sincerely pray you do not let this man back in your home, at least not until he gets some serious help and as for his family, I’d keep them at distance because they are as sick as their son. My ex, beyond a shadow of doubt was molested as a young boy, I found so much porn, videos, pictures, sex act pictures with different women, oh my goodness, I truly didn’t know it at the onset of the relationship but when I did find out, and I’m only going with what I know—I had to set my standards and boundaries, fortunately things did not work out between us, he refused further counseling and swore he didn’t have a problem….right. I am praying for you.

  5. Anonymous July 16, 2015 at 11:47 am - Reply

    Whether you photograph a gay wedding should be entirely up to the photographer. Would a pastor of an evangelical church marry a gay couple?

  6. Anonymous July 16, 2015 at 4:10 pm - Reply

    In a way, I think that businesses should just focus on performing a service and using each opportunity to show the love of God opposed to self-righteous condemnation. I’m in property management and I rent to gays and straight people. And guess what, many of the straight couples are “Christians” that aren’t married to one another(isn’t that sinful and out of God’s perfect will?) but it’s illegal to discriminate on this basis. And besides, they end up knowing what I believe when we talk. And we respect one another. I treat all of them fairly and with as much love as I can (loving is often times hard in property management) ;). I’m in business, I’m not here to condemn. You can work with people and not approve of their every choice. Sheesh, the photographer should smack a scripture on their business cards and also say “FYI, we are Christians, we believe in traditional marriage, but we will give you awesome service just like we would do for any other wedding. So let’s talk.” If I was gay, I’d be more open to other Christians in the future if I was treated respectfully. That’s why people can’t stand the church. Condemnation, not love and concern. If you just can’t do it, refer them to a great company that will service them.

    • Anonymous July 16, 2015 at 4:21 pm - Reply

      Ok…so I wrote my initial response before listening to the broadcast, seems like we’re thinking along the same lines lol.

  7. Tim July 16, 2015 at 7:04 pm - Reply

    In relation to the first caller today concerning a Christian wedding photographer at a gay wedding. I must say I disagree with the conclusions the hosts came to…and their reasoning.

    1. Baking a cake and/or photography are more than just “a job”, it is an art. (although even if it wasn’t, I think anyone should have a right to refuse)

    2. Yes, we should love as Christ loved…which means “go and sin no more”, which was His constant refrain after dealing with sinners. In saying, “Go and sin no more,” Jesus was not speaking of sinless perfection. He was warning against a return to sinful lifestyle choices. His words both extended mercy and demanded holiness. Jesus was always the perfect balance of “grace and truth” (John 1:14). With forgiveness comes the expectation that we will not continue in the same path of rebelliousness. Those who know God’s love will naturally want to obey Him (John 14:15).

    3. I think the hosts examples and analogies were way off base. Not the same thing. (and YES Steve, you are wrong here (9:00 min) Your jail analogy makes no sense.

    4. Dr Hubbard, it is unfortunately, not illegal to photograph pornography. Second, they are breaking God’s law, and THIS IS THE TIME to stand up for truth, in love, with OUR actions. Not photographing the wedding is NOT a protest. You go on to throw up several straw men (and poorly constructed ones at that) concerning people getting married who have slept together before marriage. Your point should have been that those are the marriages (a couple who had been living together but now realize they should get married) we are encouraging because it fulfills the “go and sin no more” aspect of Jesus ministry!

    5. Just because it’s legal, doesn’t make it right. (Abortion anyone?)

    I was extremely disappointed with the advice given on this topic, and hope you will reconsider.

    • Jeff July 16, 2015 at 11:06 pm - Reply

      I agree with Tim. I disagree with the conclusions the hosts came to…and their reasoning. Specifically, Dr. Hubbard. I am a photographer and if asked by a company or individual to photograph pornography, I would decline because it violates my conscious and inner conviction. The same applies to photographing a gay wedding. It violates my conscious and I should have a right not to engage in the service on that reason alone.

    • Kathy July 17, 2015 at 9:45 am - Reply

      I must agree with Tim’s points. I love this show and listen frequently, but frankly, my jaw dropped while I listened to the panel’s answers on the program yesterday. Yes; we are to love one another to include homosexuals and it is not our job to condemn them. However, loving someone is to speak God’s truth. If you truly love someone, wouldn’t you want to lovingly show them what God says about homosexuality? We ALL sin and come short of the glory of God. However, the key is to recognize the sin, repent and pray for the strength and conviction to “sin no more.” To continue to sin thinking that God will forgive us is cheap grace. I was flabbergasted to hear Dr. Hubbard’s analogy to photographing pornography since it wasn’t illegal. So Christians shouldn’t have a problem photographing pornography either? I believe this is a very slippery slope.

  8. Pat July 16, 2015 at 9:09 pm - Reply

    Yes it is bending to accept everyone, when in fact, the abortion issue is always bashed by Christians, even to the extreme point of saying that the ‘morning after pill’ is also abortion. I was on birth control for many years, and did not want kids. Although I never had an abortion, who in their right mind would say I killed children. Just as I’m not interested in same sex relationships, I’m not interested in kids. I wish the ACLJ would stop bashing Planned Parenthood. They have provided free and low cost birth control for many years.

  9. Joan July 18, 2015 at 11:02 am - Reply

    Tim your points are excellent. I thought this show was based on Christian principles, not just your opinion (very misguided at that). The remarks came across as a bit arrogant! I was very upset to hear two Pastors not reference the bible. I think all three of you missed the opportunity to help the man see it from God’s word. Here is a quote that sums it up “In participating in a homosexual wedding the vendor is condoning—even celebrating—that these two people are being legitimately married. It is a de facto admission that marriage is a meaningless concept. It is full participation in their sin in the sense of Romans 1:32.” Why do you think there are faithful Christians that are possibly going to lose everything, because they are standing on their convictions (truth). Does standing up for righteousness not mean anything anymore! Please tell me by not standing up for God’s truth how that is a loving act? So, if this is only about love will you Steve or Milan in the name of love be willing to officiate a gay marriage if asked, because it is only a job? You would not want to offend anyone! Remember the SCOTUS changed the marriage sacrament from a man and woman to anyone who loves each other, so when a father and daughter or brother and sister or multiple partners want to get married because they love each other how will you respond???

  10. Kathleen July 23, 2015 at 12:38 pm - Reply

    Totally disagree with the responses to the first caller. It is immoral and we should not endorse any kind of immorality whether legal or illegal.

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