New Life Live: March 28, 2012

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Topics: PornographyForgivenessChristian WalkParent IssuesSexual Abuse
Hosts: 
Steve ArterburnDr. Jill HubbardMilan Yerkovich
Caller Questions:

  1. My husband said “porn girls” are better than me. 
  2. How do I forgive the family of my brother’s girlfriend trying to kill him? 
  3. What is the difference between the calling of God vs. the zeal to serve Him? 
  4. My father-in-law had an affair with his daughter-in-law; how do we handle with my kids?
  5. How do I deal with my sexual abuse now that my abuser father has died? 

Suggested Resources:
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Secrets Women Keep
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Link to New Life Live: March 28, 2012

Special Guest: Joyce Meyer discusses her new book:

Living Beyond Your Feelings

Comments

  1. First caller dealt with husband who told wife she was not good enough for him compared to porn sites. What about if your husband never tells you you are pretty anymore because you have gained weight even though you have tried hard to lose weight? I know he does not have a sex addict problem with any porn or anything. But, what about if your husband tells you that he is not attracted to you and therefore has more sexual thoughts about other women that he may pass or see during his day?

  2. Is this a new thing – to have a listen button instead of the program embedded in the post? When I click on the listen button, it takes me to the oneplace website and plays the episode from yesterday. Is the episode with Joyce Meyer going to be available to listen to?

  3. Thank you so much for having Joyce on the program today. She has helped me so much in my life, and I really enjoyed hearing her advice today. Keep up the great work!!

  4. Susan Taylor says:

    I am trying to get a copy of the show on March 14, 2012 on restitution.
    How do I do that?

  5. Dear Steve and Staff:

    Today, I noticed that you had Joyce Meyer on your show. I was quite surprised due to the fact that I know that you guys usually refer to the authority of the Scriptures in your counseling.

    I’m not sure if you are even aware of Joyce Meyers heretical teachings, especially on the atonement of Christ on the Cross. Clearly, many of her teachings are rooted in the “Word of Faith” movement where other well-known false teachers such as Fred Price, Creflo Dollar, Benny Hinn, Kenneth Copeland, Kenneth Hagin, and many, many others are affiliated. Here are some specifics in terms of her heretical teachings:

    In her 1991 booklet, The Most Important Decision You Will Ever Make, she teaches a hallmark doctrine of Faith theology, namely, that Christ had to suffer in hell to atone for our sins and be born again:

    During that time He entered hell, where you and I deserved to go (legally) because of our sin….He paid the price there….no plan was too extreme…Jesus paid on the cross and in hell….God rose up from His throne and said to demon powers tormenting the sinless Son of God, “Let Him go.” Then the resurrection power of Almighty God went through hell and filled Jesus….He was resurrected from the dead — the first born-again man.

    There are tons more of her nonsensical teachings, but I know that I am limited here. I guess what I want to know is how do you vett people that you bring on your show? Are you concerned with “Sound Doctrine” as the apostle Paul exhorted Timothy to preach and teach?

    Respecttfully Yours,

    Wayne

  6. Joyce Meyer has been around for a long time. She has done nothing but good. I have seen the things they are doing in other countries. I only support ministries I believe in, and that’s why I support Club New Life, Joyce Meyer Ministries, and 700 Club. I am happy to do so and feel privileged to be a part of all of them.
    I have not seen any ‘heresy’ in her teaching. I did meet a man who said that Paul said that women are not supposed to be preachers, and that was why he did not like the idea of Joyce Meyer. In those primitive days, women stayed home with the kids; so of course they weren’t going to take off on long journeys with Jesus. Well, women weren’t truck drivers in those days either, but I’m living proof that we do very well at it.

    • She gave good advice to that lady who suffered from sexual abuse from her father. She could understand the woman because she had been where that lady had been.

    • Pat, Joyce Meyer may have done good, but she is still very much a false teacher! Biblically speaking, women are not called to be in positions of final authority over men. The qualifications in 1 Timothy 3:1-8 clearly gives the role of pastor-teacher to men only. There are many teachings from Joyce over the years that are clearly contrary to sound doctrine.

      I’m sure she is a likable person, but she should not be her husband’s pastor and spiritual leader. God has clearly called the man to be the spiritual leader in the home, and what is true at home must also be true in the church as God is a God of order and consistentcy.

  7. After listening to all the relationship problems folks have,the Holy Spirit has revealed to me that most folks not only lack the skills to sustain any kind of heathy “intimate ” relationship but they also lack the inner ability to be in a close relationship & therefore they should give up getting involved with anyone closely no matter how much they want to. Even 2 devout Christians had better make extremely sure that it definitely is the Lord’s will that they get involved with each other. Instead folks ought to concentrate on going to meeting of all sorts to get their companionship needs met. They need to develop a strong relationship with Jesus as well. When folks get involved with each other they expect someone else to make them happy & load the relationship down with many other unrealistic expectations that cause enourmous pain,frustration,anger etc. In fact I have come to the conclusion that unless you want to have children & it definitely is the Lord’s will,folks(except the Amish who are born & bred for this) should NEVER get married. St. Paul encouraged folks NOT to marry & his discourse on this is never preached on & it is as valid a scripture as any other scripture. Folks must learn to be responsible for themselves first & formost. By the way, I have never been married & I am glad. It has never been the Lord’s will for me. And don’t forget that when old age comes both of you will have to watch each other grow ugly,old & die. Good luck to that.

  8. Did Joyce Meyer have a cold or something? I thought the guest was a man until they called her Joyce. Her voice sounded very masculine. Is her voice always that way?

  9. I, too, wondered about the Joyce Meyer connection- I’ve been a little leery of her. However, her advice seemed right on, especially what she said at the end about hurting people hurt people, how that is carried over into future generations until someone gets healthy and stops the cycle. I’m really interested in hearing the entire program as I didn’t get to hear but part of it. I’m curious, too, about not having the shows available to listen to. I’ve tried several times to go to the archives and listen to past shows and am really disappointed at not being able to. That is one thing I really liked about the show- if I missed getting to hear it on air that day, I could go back and listen. I really miss the ability to be able to do so!! Hoping you’ll bring that back.

    • Dianne - NLL Call Screener says:

      Are you going to newlife.com to listen to the show? If you click on the BROADCASTS TAB (or upper righthand corner), it will give you the last few shows. If you want to go further back, go to the bottom of that page and put in the date of the show. Happy listening!

  10. That is her voice, always been that way. I doubt that Joyce is the man in her marriage, and yes many years ago when the Bible was put into print, women had a role in the home, and were not taught to be preachers. Jesus took 12 men, but he could have taken 12 women and done just as well. School wasn’t even invented to teach boys, and certainly not girls! Women were not doctors either. Taking care of the home and kids was given to the woman. So if a man is taking care of the children does that make him- a false parent? My how things have changed-thank God.

    • Pat:

      You missed the point. The role of women and men are given by God in the Scriptures for specific purposes and have nothing to do with old times verses modern times. The universal truth is that God has ordained men to be the spiritual leaders and providers of their homes and men to be the spiritual leaders in the local church. Times and seasons have nothing to do with it.

      Joyce Meyer was not and is not called to be the spiritual leader of her home and her church. Her husband should be in a role that conveys that he is clearly the leader in both. While I don’t know them personally, it would not surprise me one bit if Joyce is the “boss” even at home given her notoriety and prominent place in her church.

  11. Great comment, Pat. I agree with you. Wayne is a biblcist though so he’s never gonna see your POV.

    • Devin:

      You’re correct, I’m never going to see Pat’s point of view because it is based on her human perspective and not according to God’s purpose of the roles of men and women in the church and the home. His Word will never change no matter the time or season in the culture. Culture changes, but the Word of God never does and is always relevant.

      Recently, Piers Morgan of CNN, when talking with Kirk Cameron about homosexuality, did not like Kirk’s response, so he said the following asinine statement: “given that 6 States now have allowed SSM, don’t you think the Bible needs to be updated?” If that is not stupid and blind, then I need to give back my degrees.

      Morgan, who professes to be a Catholic, thus a “Christian”, is saying that God is outdated and irrelevant because of what 6 States have done in promoting sexual perversion in the land, not to mention those 6 States went underhanded through their politicians and not the people themselves. So in my mind, those 6 States are not valid…but even if the Law says they are, true Christians know that God will never approve, ordain, nor sanction the perversion of homosexuality and SSM!

      • Wayne, actually YOUR interpretation of the Bible is based on YOUR human perspective, as is everyone’s. Just because Eve was created second should not make women second-class citizens. Culture DOES change & culture has its effects on all human beings who have translated the Bible over the centuries. I don’t think Piers Morgan was being ‘stupid’ or ‘blind’ when he made his comments to Kirk Cameron. You are actually ‘interpreting’ Morgan’s statements from your own POV.
        I’m sorry that you subjectively choose to interpret gay equality as ‘sexual perversion’. Do you even know how many gay christians there are all around you & in your own church, perhaps even sharing a pew with you?

        Massachusetts is perfectly happy with gay equality in marriage & if the people were to vote on it (which is ridiculous because a majority should never vote on the civil rights of a minority) they would vote for inclusion, not exclusion.

  12. I would really like to hear why Steve and crew are in support of Joyce Meyers. From my understanding, she distorts the Word of God, which would make me wary of promoting her latest book from a national platform. I hate to ask this, but does New Life get money by having her on the show? Is this another aspect of NLM being desperate for funds? Hopefully not. Here is information about the teachings of Meyers: http://www.equip.org/articles/christianity-still-in-crisis-

    • Jen, I see that you are judging Joyce Meyers by equip.org which is the Bible Answerman’s (Hank Hanergraaf’s) website. I know that he does not like her and he has accused her of being a word-faith prosperity-gospel charlatan. But please remember that Hank has been accused numerous times of being a thief of the money which comes in to his ministry (just google his name to learn more). I was also surprised that Steve wanted her on his show but she gave very good answers to the questions she was asked. Maybe she isn’t so bad after all?

      • You’re right Devin, seems Hank is not so squeaky clean himself. I was surprised as well that New Life had her on the show. I think she has wisdom and has the gift of teaching, and I think she’s helped a number of people.

        Where I disagree is when she strays into the “prosperity” junk. Also, I think all ministries should willingly practice transparency and make their finances public, it creates trust, and distrust when they don’t.

      • Devin, thanks for the tip to Google Hank Hannegraaff. I did so and was very surprised at what I found. My husband and I never felt right about financially supporting his ministry, but I had no guess about all that. It certainly changes my opinion about CRI.

        As for Meyers, while I had linked to an article from CRI, that certainly is not the only resource from which I have found disconcerting information about her. As you suggested, just Google her name to learn more. While you certainly can’t believe everything you read online, there IS a good bit to think through. (Ironically, like Hank, she also is accused of misuse of ministry funds – $32K for a marble-topped commode, anyone?)

        While I am disappointed that New Life Live featured Joyce Meyers, based on what I know of her (and mind you, I could be wrong), it does not affect my opinion of the value of New Life Live or New Life Ministries.

  13. chickadee says:

    Did NewLife ask if Joyce Meyer had ever released her financial records which her ministry had previously refused to release? Her & other WOF teachers came under scrunity because of their lavish lifestyles . Many lost their standing with the ECFA.
    I would not give to any ministry that was not willing to open their financial records to THEIR financial supporters & endorsed by the ECFA!!

  14. This sounds just like the repubs and democrats nitpicking to me. Joyce believes in God, that Christ is God in human form, and that God raised him from the dead. This is the criteria to call oneself a Christian according to Romans 10:9. All the other bickering is just typical petty human stuff, always trying to one-up each other. Joyce’s monthly magazine shows where they go and the great things they do. As I see it, if she isn’t Christian, no one is. If God doesn’t see color, why would he see gender. Saints are saints, and anyone with the knowledge to help others can teach or preach, (or drive trucks) if they want. There will always be chauvanism in the world, but that just looks like CONTROL to me, as I’m sure it does in the eyes of all knowing God. I do not believe it is Godly to limit another person. To limit another person is to limit God, and you will have to answer to God. If God calls a woman to teach, she will know it, and will not need approval from WAYNE or other controllers who think everyone else missed his point. Oh we got your point all right, and still disagree.

  15. chickadee says:

    Pat…the tone of your comments seem more directed at men…maybe you might consider looking at that bitterness.

  16. chickadee says:

    Pat…Dr.Sheri is very compassionate & kind in ministering to women that have been hurt by men. She even kindly responds to personal email. She might be a blessing to you.

  17. I don’t see any ‘bitterness’ in Pat’s comments. That’s an easy word to throw around. Whenever anybody has a disagreement someone shows up with a tsk,tsk you must be ‘bitter’. I think she is just being reasonable.

  18. Agreed, Joyce does preach much good but there are also lies therein. For one, she does preach that if one has enough faith, they will be rewarded (physically and financially) by God. For many Word of Faith teachers A leads to B…faith will get you what you desire.
    Perhaps most troubling is her extravagant lifestyle. The Bible says that it is harder for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich person to get into the Kingdom of God. This is true. When you have millions upon millions like Meyers…you end up living as if you DESERVE marble counter tops and personal jets. The humble, faithful and meek hard road of Christ is traded in for earthly crowns. It is possible to be faithful with money but it is hard, and I don’t believe Meyers is being so…given the mansions she owns and what she chooses to lavish on herself. That is not denying oneself and following Christ.

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